Showing posts with label apologetics. Show all posts
Showing posts with label apologetics. Show all posts

Monday, December 30, 2024

'Implicit Faith in Christ' Does Not Suffice for Justificatio

By Brother André Marie (from  https://catholicism.org/ )

 

FATHER Thomas Crean, O.P., Dr. Alan Fimister, and Dr. John Joy have authored a twenty-five-page scholarly article, written in the scholastic format, in the pages of the theological journal, Divinitas. Called “Can a Person Be Justified by ‘Implicit Faith in Christ’?,” the article is available for purchase as a download from the Divinitas website (at $4.28, it’s a bargain).

The article’s abstract gives the scope of the work of these three scholars:

In this article the question is treated whether explicit faith in Christ is necessary for justification. The introduction specifies the state of the question, lays out the thesis that is being defended, and gives the reasons for the scholastic format of the article. The objections are then stated. The arguments stem from both speculative and positive theology involving all possible sources: Scripture, Magisterium, Church Fathers, etc. The respondeo affirms explicit faith in Christ as a necessity of means for justification, insisting on the gratuity and supernaturality of salvation. The contrary opinions of some later theologians are then briefly exposed. Lastly the objections are each answered individually.

The authors opted to use the scholastic format, first stating the objections to their thesis (eighteen of them!), then a sed contra (“on the contrary”), then the detailed development of their own thesis, followed by answers to the objections. All this is in the fashion of Saint Thomas Aquinas and other mediaeval scholastic theologians. Crean, Fimister, and Joy adopt this method not as an exercise in creative anachronism, but, as they say, in order to separate their own positive statement of the thesis they are upholding from their replies to objections against it.

Monday, September 20, 2021

Feeneyites are Mean

 

There is a usual slur that we are uncharitable. This is leveled in general against "Feeneyites" (i.e. Catholics who believe the Church's dogmatic definitions). Granted there will always be zealots who are overcomed by emotions and the importance of an issue, and they lose patience. But that is not an argument against the validity of their position. The actual fact is, we "Feeneyites" receive way more hatred than we give out.

We at Catholic Vox have tried to be as charitable in language as best we can. "Do unto others as you would have done to you." But when dealing with truth and error, those in error will take offense that we say they are wrong.

Although we at Catholic Vox don't consider ourselves technically Feeneyites. Many Feeneyites do not hold that BoD (Baptism of Desire) is heretical, neither did Father Feeney himself.

Tuesday, December 22, 2020

Pope Benedict XVI


In an interview with Avvenire, March 6, 2016 - Pope Benedict XVI truthfully said:
"The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the Second Vatican Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned . . . . Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved without it?"

Friday, October 18, 2019

TnT: Amazon Synod and LIberation Theology 101

Very interesting discussion. Connects  the dots from Nouvelle Théologie to Liberation Theology to our present crisis.




Tuesday, September 3, 2019

Why I Converted from Orthodoxy


[Editor: It is hard to find a good apologetic of Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Here is  a long article but worth reading. Since we think the Dogma of the Faith is connected to Fatima and the conversion of Russia, we hope this helps.]

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By Gideon Lazar, The Catholic University of America (Above: Ukrainian Catholic National Shrine of the Holy Family, the church where Gideon was received)

 The day this was posted, I was received into the Catholic Church. Many of my Orthodox friends are likely shocked at my decision, so I wrote this article to explain my reasoning.

First some background on myself. I was raised in a non-religious Jewish family. I considered myself an atheist for as long as I can remember. In my Junior year of high school, I looked into the evidence for Christianity, looking to refute it. I walked away from that endeavor becoming a believer in Jesus and firmly convinced by the evidence. I began to read about the early Christians, and then look at modern denominations. I was convinced that the Orthodox Church was the true Church, and so I became a catechumen. After two years as a catechumen I was baptized into the Orthodox Church. Many of my friends are Catholic, so I went to go research Orthodox apologetics against Catholicism in an effort to prove that the Orthodox Church is the true Church.

While at first it seemed obvious that the Orthodox Church was right, the more I studied, the more I realized I was missing a lot of nuance. I ultimately ended up being convinced by the evidence for the Catholic Church, and so I had no choice but to convert. So now, a little over a year after my baptism, I am being received into the Catholic Church. I ask readers to please read the entire article (I know it’s long) before rushing to judgement as I may respond to your points later in the article. If you feel as though I did not address something important, please comment below about it. Because of the length of the article, I could not put as much detail to every section as I would have liked and so I may write more on these topics in the future.

The thing that initially triggered my move towards Catholicism is Our Lady of Fatima. One of my friends was telling me about the fruits Fatima had on her own life. She read what the Theotokos had said to the children about modesty, and it caused her to become more modest in her dress. She also told me about how her priest had visited Fatima and when he came back, he preached a fiery sermon about the reality of hell. I had been told by my fellow Orthodox Christians that Fatima was at best a hoax and at worst demonic, so I decided to investigate Fatima for myself.

The view that Fatima is simply a hoax cannot be the case. It has a miracle connected with it that was witnessed by thousands of people, many of whom were atheists who came to the event specifically to refute what the children were saying. Skeptics have argued that it was simply a mass hallucination, but Christians should be skeptical of this argument. Skeptics of the resurrection of Jesus often respond to the fact that there were 500 witnesses by pointing to Fatima. If Fatima was a mass hallucination, so could the resurrection of Jesus have been. No other mass hallucination has ever been recorded though. In reality, Fatima was actually the most seen public miracle since the time of the exodus about 3500 years ago.

The other objection to Fatima is that it is demonic. However, the vision doesn’t sound like Satan at all. Would Satan command people to pray 53 Hail Marys and 6 Our Fathers, both fully Orthodox prayers, every single day? Would Satan command people to pray that Jesus “lead all souls to heaven” 5 times every day? Would Satan remind people about the reality of hell in a time when even the Church is forgetting about it? Would Satan seal all of this through a public miracle witnessed by thousands of atheists, causing many to convert and dedicate their lives to Christ? If this is Satan’s plan, it isn’t a very good one.

I did find one way to stay Orthodox after discovering this. Fatima was true and Orthodoxy is true. After all, the message of Fatima seems entirely Orthodox. There are some major problems with this though. First, Our Lady said that “in Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved.” Portugal has remained Catholic, with only a tiny Orthodox minority. If Orthodoxy is true, the dogma of the faith has not been preserved in Portugal. In addition, Our Lady requested that Russia, the largest Orthodox country, be consecrated by the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, to the immaculate heart (a Catholic devotion rejected by many Orthodox as heretical) so that it will be converted.

 I reconciled this by saying that it needed to be converted from communism back to Orthodoxy. However, why would God request Catholics to do this in a very Catholic way? One Orthodox priest I read tried to fix this by saying that the “Holy Father” was actually the Patriarch of Moscow. This is already a stretch because the Patriarch is not called by this title while the Pope is. He goes even further by claiming that “the immaculate heart of Mary” is actually the true teachings of the Orthodox Church but the Theotokos needed a way to communicate this to peasant children. At this point this is such a stretch that it’s just easier to draw the obvious conclusion, if Fatima is true then Catholicism is true.

The other major event that triggered my shift towards Catholicism was reading about the history of Catholic missionary work. In Orthodoxy, there are a few saints that are famous for missions: Sts. Cyril and Methodius (who were before the schism), St. Nicholas of Japan, and St. Herman of Alaska. In fact, if you discuss missionary work with anyone who is Orthodox, they will probably bring up St. Herman of Alaska. There is a reason he is brought up again, and again, and again. He is essentially the only successful Orthodox missionary since the schism. This is a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s mostly true. He converted a few hundred natives in Alaska, and that’s basically it. St. Nicholas’ mission in Japan now numbers less than 10,000 people, less than 0.01% of the population of Japan. Orthodox report large missions currently in Africa and Latin America, but the numbers are highly exaggerated and are often self-reported to be 10 or 100 times larger than what is recorded on official censuses by the government or third parties.

On the other hand, Catholics have a long and glorious history of missionary work. I used to assume this was simply because of colonial empires, but this is false. Catholic missionary work continued after the schism. Missionaries went as far as China and India before the age of sail, despite the fact that the Orthodox were closer to these lands and didn’t go. During the crusades, St. Francis of Assisi went to the Sultan himself and tried to convert him.

Then, during the age of sail Catholic missionaries went to places where there weren’t colonial interests. Catholics went to places in India where there were no Portuguese settlements. They went to Japan and continued to sneak in even after they were expelled. They went deep into forests and mountains in Latin America beyond Spanish and Portuguese settlements. Priests often stood up the colonial authorities to defend the natives, one of the main factors that eventually lead to the suppression of the Jesuits by the Pope under pressure from colonial empires. On the other hand, Orthodox missionary work before the 20th century was pretty much exclusively limited to the land of the Russian empire.

Catholics also did missionary work for the Eastern Christians. This created the Eastern Catholics, known also as the Uniates. The first major group of these is the Maronites. Since the Maronites were under Muslim rule, they had no contact with Rome for hundreds of years. When they finally got contact during the crusades and learned of the schism, they quickly sided with Rome. The other Eastern Catholics came later. There is a myth in Orthodoxy that people only became Eastern Catholics under force by Catholic kings. This has some truth to it, but is mostly false. These groups mostly came over willingly. While some did come over by force, the Orthodox also forcibly converted large numbers of Eastern Catholics Orthodoxy. This objection by Orthodox is really just an appeal to enlightenment ideas of freedom of religion that have not been historically held by Orthodoxy or Catholicism.

It’s also notable that there are large numbers of Eastern Catholics, but very few Western Rite Orthodox. Since the schism, the West has sought unity such as at 2 Lyons and Florence. While these were mostly failures, they were rooted in a desire for unity. After the schism, there were large amounts of Jesuit missions to Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Rome also sought union with all the East. The Catholic Church has within it all 6 rites of the Church: Latin, Byzantine, East Syriac, West Syriac, Alexandrian, and Armenian.

Tuesday, April 16, 2019

NH Vicar Changes Dogma Into Heresy

Michael Voris sits down with Br. Andre Marie to discuss the dogma of no salvation outside the Church:

Link to full interview REALLY GREAT INTERVIEW
INTEREVIEW CLICK HERE






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In a disturbing turn of events, a chancery official of the diocese of Manchester, New Hampshire has changed a solemnly defined dogma of the Faith into a heresy.





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Georges de Laire

Father Georges de Laire, appointed by Bp. Peter Libasci as judicial vicar and vicar for canonical affairs, timed his actions to coincide with his bishop departing for Chicago to do penance for abusive priests. On Jan. 7, he struck.
In an undated text, the official imposed a series of 15 "precepts" upon the members of the Saint Benedict Center, a community of devout lay women and men devoted to spreading the Church's official teaching on the need for all souls to join the Church in order to be saved. Without any evidence, the vicar asserts in his letter that his "precepts" are being imposed "at the direction" of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
The 15 precepts range from a prohibition to identifying themselves as "Catholic" to even "presenting" any doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.

Thursday, January 3, 2019

Guidelines for the Reception of Communion



Guidelines for the Reception  of  Communion [From  Novus Ordo Missalette]

".... A person  who is conscious of grave sin is not to receive the Body and Blood  of the Lord without sacramental confession [editor: now comes the slight of hand, saying the complete opposite] except for  a grave reason where there is no opportunity for confession. In this case, the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make a perfect act of contrition, including the intention of confessing as soon as possible (Code of Canon Law, canon 916). ..."

Here is the canon:

"Can.  916 A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible."

This is strange wording: "A PERSON who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass"
What does this mean "a PERSON,"?   Does it mean a lay faithful, who is in grave sin MAY NOT go to Mass? Or is it speaking of a priest saying Mass? It seems like it would mean a priest, but that is NOT what it is making clear. Law should be clear, the above makes no distinction  between priests and the ordinary faithful.


Canon 807 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law stipulated:

    "A PRIEST conscious of having committed a mortal sin, even though he considers himself to have true contrition, may not celebrate Holy Mass without first availing himself of sacramental confession; if, in the absence of a confessor and [simultaneously] in a case of necessity, and after having made a perfect act of contrition, he has indeed celebrated, he will go to sacramental confession as soon as possible."
But even the 1917 Code though making a distinction between Lay Faithful and priest, has a separate canon for the Layman:

In canon 856 of the 1917 Canon Law:

    "Anyone having a mortal sin weighing on his conscience must not receive Holy Communion without first having recourse to sacramental confession, even though he considers himself to have true contrition; in the case of necessity and in the absence of a confessor, he must first make a perfect act of contrition."

There were debates even as far back as 1917 of lay people of necessity receiving communion. Some speculated that a layman may have to protect from profanation of the Eucharist.

But both the code of canon law of 1917 and 1983 seem at odds with a de fide proclamation of the council or Trent, that lay people never have a necessity to receive the Eucharist in the state of Mortal Sin.



 SESSION THE THIRTEENTH, Pope Julius III., October,11,  1551,

DECREE CONCERNING THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST




CHAPTER VII.

    On the preparation to be given that one may worthily receive the sacred Eucharist.

        If it is unbeseeming for any one to approach to any of the sacred functions, unless he approach holily; assuredly, the more the holiness and divinity of this heavenly sacrament are understood by a Christian, the more diligently ought he to give heed that he approach not to receive it but with great reverence and holiness, especially as we read in the Apostle those WORDS FULL OF TERROR; He that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself. Wherefore, he who would communicate, ought to recall to mind the precept of the Apostle; Let a man prove himself. Now ecclesiastical usage declares that necessary proof to be, that NO ONE, conscious to himself  of mortal sin, HOW CONTRITE SOEVER HE MAY SEEM TO HIMSELF, ought to approach to the sacred Eucharist WITHOUT PREVIOUS SACRAMENTAL CONFESSION. This the holy Synod hath decreed is to be invariably observed by all Christians, even by those priests on whom it may be incumbent by their office to celebrate, provided the opportunity of a confessor do not fail them; but if, in an urgent necessity, a priest should celebrate without previous confession, let him confess as soon as possible.




CANON XI.-

        lf any one saith, that faith alone is a sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; let him be anathema.

        And for fear lest so great a sacrament may be received unworthily, and so unto death and condemnation, this holy Synod ordains and declares, that sacramental confession, when a confessor may be had, is of necessity to be made beforehand, by those whose conscience is burdened with mortal sin, HOW CONTRITE EVEN SOEVER THEY MAY THINK THEMSELVES. But if any one shall presume to teach, preach, or obstinately to assert, or even in public disputation to defend the contrary, he shall be thereupon excommunicated.

Both Canon Laws , 1917 and 1983, make exceptions for those who are contriete but Trent says no exceptions for laymen:

    "Let a man prove himself. Now ecclesiastical usage declares that necessary proof to be, that NO ONE, conscious to himself  of mortal sin, HOW CONTRITE SOEVER HE MAY SEEM TO HIMSELF, ought to approach to the sacred Eucharist WITHOUT PREVIOUS SACRAMENTAL CONFESSION."


The ONLY exception Trent gives,  was for  priests, of URGENT necessity, who has a mortal sin and cannot get to confession and who must say Mass.  That is it. No Layman has the need to receive in mortal sin, according to Trent.





Friday, December 21, 2018

Bishop Barron denies the Faith



Bishop Barron is  a heretic. He doesn't even try to hide it anymore.

He says that an atheist  can be saved , as an atheist.

No an atheist nor a Jew can be saved where they are they need to accept Jesus and Baptism.

Lets us re-post

Vatican II and EENS

Many use Vatican II to say that non-Catholics can be saved. When we say non-Catholics we will limited it for now for the sake of argument to the non-sacramentally-baptized and/or without explicit Faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Let us look at the full paragraph of Vatican II :

Tuesday, November 20, 2018

Russian Catholic Converts

Here is an interesting new You Tube channel: The Russian Catholic Insider. Some Russians have been converting to the Catholic Church. They are Byzantine Catholics.
it won't let me embed the video so I will but a link to their channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLNdwKdtgX0&fbclid=IwAR39sq0yxMbVQo7wwBKBo_dHEitD0A0mztAF6wqRalOWDbBmlZDK8ZCySTU

Monday, August 6, 2018

Solemn Enthronement of Evolution

Many have been shock by Pope Francis' teachings, especially his recent change to the Catechism on the death penalty.

Here is a good article that explains the train of thought of the Modernist, which is basically applying Darwinism to theology.

The Jesuits have been keen on this thinking. So it is more of a heretical method than a particular teaching. It varies in degrees of orthodoxy those who fall into it, since it is not a particular teaching, some people accept it more and fall into serious error, some not so much.



While it is an established point of our faith that the Church cannot change teachings that have been definitively proposed to the faithful for belief, the about-face the Catholic Church has done on the question of evolution since the mid-19th century is nothing short of revolutionary - revolutionary in the most literal sense of the word, "to turn around", for the Church has done just that, turned around on its approach to evolution and questions surrounding the origin of human life. In this article, we will trace the origins of the Church's interaction with evolutionary theology and witness how, while the papacy of the 19th century condemned evolution as incompatible with Christian theology, the late 20th century Magisterium has essentially enthroned the theory as a permanent fixture of Catholic thought.

The two most influential theologians behind this enthronement were none other than Teilhard de Chardin and Joseph Ratzinger.
PART I: EVOLUTION AS A FRINGE HYPOTHESISDarwin's Origin of Species, published in 1859, ushered in the beginning of what would be a long struggle between reductive scientism and Catholic theology. In the decades immediately following the release of the book, evolution was a fringe belief professed by very few members of the clergy and was a characteristic belief of a small cadre of intellectuals divorced from the popular religion of the masses. Nevertheless, the Catholic Church saw very early on the threat that this theory could become to the faithful and began to warn Catholics about evolutionary theory very early on. In these years, we see the Church, with the support of the popes, drawing a firm line against evolutionary theory by insisting not only on the special creation of man's soul, but of his body as well.

Wednesday, June 15, 2016

EENS Doctrinal Cheat Sheet

1) The Catholic Church teaches that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation (de fide, Trent, Sess. 7, ON BAPTISM Can. 5).

2) Unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot enter heaven (de fide, Florence, Exultate Deo; Denz 696).

3) The Church understands John 3:5 literally every time, as it is written (de fide, Trent Sess. 6, Chap. 4), and with no exceptions (de fide, Florence (aka Basil): Denz 696; and Trent: Denz. 791,  858,  861).

4) The Spirit of Sanctification, the Water of Baptism and the Blood of Redemption are inseparable (de fide, Pope St. Leo the Great--dogmatic letter to Flavian (ep. xxviii; ch. 5) aka "the Tome").

5) All Catholics must profess only one baptism of water (de fide, Clement V, Council of Vienne).

6) There is absolutely no salvation outside the one Church of the faithful (de fide, Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council), which only includes the water baptized.

7) Every human creature must be subject to the Roman Pontiff to be saved (de fide, Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam), and it is impossible to be subject to the Roman Pontiff without the Sacrament of Baptism (de fide, Trent, Sess. 14, Chap. 2).

8) One must belong to the Body of the Church to be saved (de fide, Eugene IV;The Council of Florence (aka Basil), “Exultate Deo and Pius XI, Quas Primas [# 15]), and only the water baptized belong to the Body of the Church.

9) Pope Benedict XII solemnly defined that all martyrs, virgins, confessors, faithful, etc. in Heaven have been baptized (Benedictus Deus, 1336, de fide).

10) The Church is defined as a union of sacraments (de fide,Florence (aka Basil), Eugene IV, Cantate Domino-- Denz 696; Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam), which means that only those who have received the Sacrament of Baptism can be inside the unity of the Church.

11) All true Justification meets up with the Sacraments (de fide, Trent  Sess. 7, Foreword to the Decree on the Sacraments).

12) The Sacraments as such are necessary for salvation though all are not necessary for each individual (de fide, Profession of Faith at Trent and Vatican I; and the Profession of Faith for converts), which means that one must at least receive one Sacrament (Baptism) to be saved but one doesn’t need to receive them all.

Monday, January 12, 2015

More quotes for the Barron -ites

The controversy of, "Are there many saved or few?" has popped up again, so here is a Church Father, Doctor of the Church and Pope to comment on our Lord's words that few are saved


The broad road is crowded the narrow way of salvation nearly empty:

ST. POPE LEO THE GREAT-- SERMON XLIX; ON LENT, XI.(# II):

"And THUS IS PERFECTLY FULFILLED THAT ASSURANCE OF THE TRUTH, by which we learn that "narrow and steep is the way that leads to life [cf. Mat. 7:14];" and whilst the breadth of the way that leads to death is crowded with a large company, the steps are few of those that tread the path of safety."

read more of his sermon click here

Sunday, November 2, 2014

How Lovely (Again) is Thy Dwelling Place


St. Mary's Church
In a recent Crisis essay, I indicated that the recovery of tradition, reverence and symbolism in sacred architecture is not limited only to newly built churches, but that it has also been on the increase in existing church renovations in recent years.
Some of the most jarring evidence of internal unsettledness in the Church over the past century has been the drastic physical alteration of older church interiors, often to a point of becoming unrecognizable as what they once were. Such alterations were enforced based on the assumption that the buildings, along with the liturgy and other sacraments inside them, needed to cede to the thinking of the times in order to remain relevant with modern Catholics.
Had this been a truly successful endeavor—or even a correct initial assumption on which to base such an endeavor—we should be able to observe, after all these years, that the majority of lay people actually want their churches to look and feel like casual living rooms or concert halls. Yet, according to Fr. Jamie Hottovy of the Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, a growing body of evidence would seem to suggest exactly the opposite.

Thursday, October 30, 2014

Modernism vs. Neo-Modernism: What is the Difference?




 The overarching principle of post-conciliar theology is not modernism, properly speaking. Let us get our terms straight.

Above you see Fathers Ratzinger and Biali attentively listening to the comments of Fr. Karl Rahner, left, their mentor
Modernism is the idea that there are no eternal truths, that truth is the correspondence of the mind with one's lifestyle (adaequatio intellectus et vitae), and that, therefore, old dogmas must be abandoned and new beliefs must arise that meet 'the needs of modern man'. This is a radical denial of the traditional and common sense notion of truth: the correspondence of the mind with reality (adaequatio intellectus et rei), which is the basis of the immutability of Catholic dogma.

No, the post-conciliar theological principle is neo-modernism, and the theology that is based on it is known as the nouvelle theologie.  It is the idea that old dogmas or beliefs must be retained, yet not the traditional 'formulas': dogmas must be expressed and interpreted in a new way in every age so as to meet the 'needs of modern man'. 

This is still a denial of the traditional and common sense notion of truth as 
adaequatio intellectus et rei (insofar as it is still an attempt to make the terminology that expresses the faith correspond with our modern lifestyle) and consequently of the immutability of Catholic dogma, yet it is not as radical as modernism. 

It is more subtle and much more deceptive than modernism because it claims that the faith must be retained; it is only the 'formulas' of faith that must be abandoned--they use the term 'formula' to distinguish the supposedly mutable 
words of our creeds, dogmas, etc. from their admittedly immutable meanings. 

Therefore, neo-modernism can effectively slip under the radar of most pre-conciliar condemnations (except 
Humani generis, which condemns it directly) insofar as its practitioners claim that their new and unintelligible theological terminology really expresses the same faith of all times. 

In other words, neo-modernism is supposed to be 'dynamic orthodoxy': supposedly orthodox in meaning, yet always changing in expression to adapt to modern life (cf. Franciscan University of Steubenville's mission statement).  


Take extra ecclesiam nulla salus as a clear example of a dogma that has received a brutal neo-modernist re-interpretation: they claim that the old 'formula' that "there is no salvation outside the Church" must be abandoned; rather it is more meaningful to modern man to say that salvation is not in, but through, the Church;  people who are not in the Church may still be saved through the Church; thus, to them the dogma that "there is no salvation outside the Church" means that there is salvation outside the Church.  Hence see Ven. Pope Pius XII condemning those "reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation." (Humani generis 27).

Yet this mentality of reinterpreting everything anew in order to 'meet the needs of the times' is generally tends to be found in different degrees among different post-conciliar sources:  


Thursday, October 23, 2014

Understanding Modernism

Here are a series of video/talks on Modernism. Few understand it and some think it doesn't exist

Friday, November 15, 2013

Fr. Barron ---- Not all will be saved

For some reason this post wasn't being searched on the blog, so we figured we would just re-post it. Something for the Barron-ites and the Balthazar-ites:

Matthew 7:13: "13Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! "

The Council of Quiersy in 853 stated that, "not all will be saved" (Denz. No. 318);

and Pius II in 1459 even condemned the opinion "That all Christians are to be saved" (Denz. No. 717[b]);

THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED BY PIUS IX: "17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ." --Condemned

SYLLABUS CONDEMNING THE ERRORS OF THE MODERNISTS--LAMENTABILI SANE, Pius X July 3, 1907 (#24): "24. The exegete who constructs premises from which it follows that dogmas are historically false or doubtful is not to be reproved as long as he does not directly deny the dogmas themselves ."-- Condemned

Saturday, August 25, 2012

Catechism on Modernism


Full text of "Catechism on Modernism according to the encyclical 'Pascendi dominici gregis' of his Holiness Pius X"

Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Baptism of Desire: Matt vs Hammer

[Editor: Here is a debate that is very convincing that Fr. Feeney indeed may have had the truer answer to the Baptism of Desire debate. We at Catholic Vox are starting to see the logic of his position. Either way both Fr. Feeney and Catholic Vox hold that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation.

We find it strange that Matt claimed victory on his site when in fact he comes off as childish, breaks his own rule, evades answering questions clearly, and is caught in one contradiction after another Hammer definitely won this debate. This debate is from Matt 16:18 site http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/debate1.html]